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Of course we are BUT being a Christian isn't about following a set of rules.

neither is it about throwing them out the window.
We have the 10 commandments,we have the law,we have what Jesus taught. Will ppl still sin and still break the law? Sure.But we don't legalize immorality and perversion just because ppl engage in it.
 I would say that the "Law" re abortion and same sex 'marriage' is NOT even a law.
Natural Law
MORAL LAW
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So you can put laws on the books about same sex marriages but what has that accomplished? What good has been obtained except you having a false sense of righteousness. In God's eyes all sin is equal. My position is that my house needs to be in order before I tell someone else to get their house in order.

This has nothing to do with any feelings at all let alone feelings of self righteousness.
(You're taking Paul out of context too.) In God's eyes all sin is sin.Yep.An offense against God but even Jesus said there is an unforgiveable sin and scripture tells us there is sin unto death and sin not unto death.
All sin is an offense against God-we are all called to holiness.
But homosexual acts and abortion are grevious sins and it has nothing to do with anyone feeling self righteous to say we reject immorality being encoded into law.

Our country will pay the price for this down the road-there will be consequences.The moral depravity we face now has had tremendous consequences. I also say it is no favor to ppl in same sex relationships to NOT tell them it's perverted and disordered.
Nobody answerd the question re the law about marriage.A marriage is legal IF it has been consumated.How is a marriage consumated by law? Sexual intercourse.The conjugal act.
Question;what will the marriage licenses read?
Husband and husband? Wife and wife?Persons and persons?
God Bless,
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Sorry it took so long to reply but I didn't want it to sound like I did not appreciate your POV or I was jumping on you. This is my response to your response. :brows:

Whether or not I approve is not my point. There are a lot of things I see that I don't approve of but my approval or disapproval makes not difference. "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. " Romans 6:14-15. What is Paul trying to say here? Are we not to obey the law (ie the commandments of God)? Of course we are BUT being a Christian isn't about following a set of rules. Example: If tomorrow it became legal for me to break into your home, murder you while you slept and steal all of your belongings, would I. Of course not! So whether or not those things are legal or not have no meaning for me because even w/o the law I would not entertain such an idea. Therefore I am not bound by that law. Now if tomorrow it was ok to do California stops and not pay my taxes I wouldn't. So those laws apply to me. I am under those laws. Now you maybe asking what the heck this has got to do with same sex couples marrying. There are laws (human and God's) that say you will not steal, murder, rape, adultery, bear false witness, etc. Guess what? People do it every day. There isn't town that isn't up to it's eye balls in various crimes and those are the ones reported. Putting a law in place to forbid those things have not stopped or even slowed people down. There are even some earthly laws that are down right immoral and I'm not talking about abortion or same sex marriages. You CANNOT legislate morality. Morality is something inside you. So you can put laws on the books about same sex marriages but what has that accomplished? What good has been obtained except you having a false sense of righteousness. In God's eyes all sin is equal. My position is that my house needs to be in order before I tell someone else to get their house in order. And I do not think I will be giving up Harrison Ford fantasies any time soon. emoticon



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How is a marriage consumated by law? Sexual intercourse.The conjugal act.
Question;what will the marriage licenses read?
Husband and husband? Wife and wife?Persons and persons?
God Bless,
p4p



But does it define what the conjugal act is? I'm not asking about Catholic law--I'm asking what California state law defines it as.


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Are you flipping me off?
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I didn't even realize that's what they were doing.
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I was actually trying to bow down to your awesomeness.

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I didn't either until I posted it for LG and realized they were all shooting birds. emoticon

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We do have laws re marriage.Some have to do with age.Some with how closely related a person is. Some have to do with how many spouses.



Those laws are created to protect the people in the marriage or the children who are a result of the marriage. For instance, you can't marry your cousin because your child my be mal-formed and you can't marry a 13 year old in order to protect the children in our society.

Withholding marriage from specific people within our society is wrong. It wasn't that long ago that people thought interracial marriage would crumble society. At the time they believed it would be morally wrong to allow it. Seems to me it's been working out okay...

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Some sexual acts are prohibited by law.



Between consenting adults? Really? Which ones?

Main article: LGBT rights in the United States

Sodomy laws in the United States were largely a matter of state rather than federal jurisdiction, except for laws governing the U.S. Armed Forces. By 2002, 36 states had repealed all sodomy laws or had them overturned by court rulings. The remaining anti-homosexual sodomy laws have been invalidated by the 2003 U.S. Supreme Court decision Lawrence v. Texas

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Sexual acts outside of marriage are considered morally wrong by ALL denominations both Protestant and Catholic.



So, if we let them marry, they are not having sex outside of marriage. Problem solved.




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So, if we let them marry, they are not having sex outside of marriage.

it's not a marriage.
No matter how you window dress this-it's NOT a marriage.A same sex relationship recognized by the state contradicts what marriage is.In fact,i don't think most gays and lesbians really care if they marry or not.IMHO the push for same sex marriage is simply a way to get society to accept the gay life style and homosexual relations as moral.Quite frankly most gay relationships tend to be promiscous. They are looking for something they will never find.
God Bless,
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the conjugal act? How does the law define it? Good grief. Sexual intercourse.

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the conjugal act? How does the law define it? Good grief. Sexual intercourse.



The law says that specifically?

As we all learned with Bill Clinton, there are many definitions to intercourse and sexual relations.



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the conjugal act-not foreplay.Oral sex would not consumate a marriage.

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It wasn't that long ago that people thought interracial marriage would crumble society. At the time they believed it would be morally wrong to allow it.

Ppl may have beleived it was morally wrong but nothing in moral law or natural law supports that.Same sex is a whole nother matter.
Just because they took sodomy off the books in some states doesn't mean they should have.But look how they did this out in California to begin with.The ppl voted AGAINST this and then some judge took it upon himself.


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